NVIDIA APOLOGIZED (sort of) - WAN Show December 18, 2020

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Timestamps (Courtesy of Pizza Thyme Pizza FanClub)
1:25 intro
2:02 More on Hardware Unboxed getting denied cards.
2:40 Nvidia apologies sort of for hardware unboxed ceasing getting cards
4:43 Luke is unsure if Nvidia is apologizing to save face or is sincere
6:00 Summary of the "scandal" between hardware unboxed and Nvidia
8:55 Luke thinks that Nvidia is doing this bc they are saving face.
12:40 Linus is trying to get someone from Nvidia to talk to him.
14:30 Linus burning bridges with Nvidia and meme-ing on them.
16:45 This PR does not make very much sense for Nvidia.
19:00 Cyberpunk 2077 review
20:22 Cyberpunk pulled from Sony play store
21:35 CD Project Red reputation has been messed up
22:42 Sony pulling Cyberpunk from play store
23:15 Cyberpunk unplayable on last gen consoles
26:40 Devotion Pulled from Good Old Games with pressure from the CCP
26:52 Contained unflattering references to [Winnie the Pooh] relating to the Taiwan situation
28:09 GOG/Steam caved to CCP
29:20 Twitter might not be representative sample of gamers' thoughts
30:24 Different Mentality in China versus USA
36:09 A poll of live viewers' opinions finds that opinions have worsened about CD Project RED
37:54 Microsoft might start to make ARM designs?
38:45 Microsoft may become Microhard if they get into hardware
39:57 Sponsor spots
40:11 jumpcloud dot com
41:08 10% off at ridge dot com slash linus
41:45 Seasonic has good PSUs
42:45 Antitrust lawsuits
42:55 Allegedly Google Has a monopoly over ads
43:25 Allegedly Facebook has been buying competitors and has a monopoly
44:01 America Has not exercised the laws in a long time
45:37 Google and Facebook account for 54% of advertising
46:35 Linus does not like the privacy violations done by Google et al. and prefers his form of ads
47:12 LTTSTOREDOTCOM
48:10 Linus talking about parenting and children's literacy
51:10 Superchats
51:18 Airpods review question
51:26 Paying for refunded shirts
51:39 Dual shock "low latency"
52:35 The Mandela Effect
52:55 Outro
53:18 Dell insider follow up

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Todd scholefield
Před 17 hodinami
Wtf does Luke even do anymore?????
Jason Fessel
Před dnem
This is in regards to the Nvidia controversy. Where do I start...... In an effort to drum up subscribers and in an effort to show people that Nvidia doesn't just play nice with Nvidia shill's, Hardware Unboxed and Nvidia drummed up a controversy about Nvidia trying to strong arm your content. Their channel hadn't seen as much of a boom as other tech channels during the pandemic and Nvidia wanted their channel to be popular so they could use you review as one of their headlines for raytracing. To drum up a false controversy which plays on peoples emotions, which I now everyone else does, may be ingenious but extremely low. The proof is what happened after, their subscribers were stagnate compared to other CScroner's and Nvidia was getting slammed in rasterization which HU made a big deal about and raytracing, which they mentioned once and would come in a follow up video about the 3080. Afterward the letter was leaked and more popular youtubers caught wind of it , they more then doubled their subscribers and Nvidia had the focus back on raytracing.
Christos Giannoulis
Před 4 dny
don't know if it matters any more but you may check email headers/properties: does the email left from the same pc?
Tom Praytor
Před 6 dny
How dare they not give free shit to people who dump on them. Dorks.
Cody Nichiporik
Před 7 dny
I like seeing Linus showing emotion. I would love to spend a week as one of his employees.
Rickbearcat
Před 7 dny
In terms of MY refund on my pre-order of Cyberpunk 2077...I asked for a refund (purchased in June of 2019) at least a month and a half before the launch. It took them almost 40 days! to refund back to the payment portal I used originally, which was PayPal. And that was after MUCH effort on my part just keeping them on their toes with mandatory weekly emails to ask what was going on. Otherwise, I felt that when I didn't communicate with them, they just ignored me. This and other reasons have caused me to let them know that they have burned all the goodwill that they garnered in the past.
Rickbearcat
Před 7 dny
If the Nvidia email that was sent to HU was (in one form or another) had been sent to other CScrone Tech communities, then I would say that they were sorry for getting caught. Otherwise, I think this was a one-off from someone other than Brian and that he is sorry this ever happened. The other option is that this was a test. They sent this email to a semi-large tech channel to gauge the response of the community just to see what would happen in this exact situation. When they realized this was going to burn them hard, Nvidia walked back to do damage control. End of experiment.
Mouse Mickey
Před 9 dny
they are not allowed to have "opinions" , just like they are trying to enforce here , personally , i don't care either lmao .you think what you think and have great day doing it : ) i think people SHOULD be able say ANYTHING they want .saying something doesn't mean people listen rite ? IF you cansor then it seems you probably shouldn't be doing what you are doing ?
Mouse Mickey
Před 9 dny
obviously apologized BECAUSE they got caught BUT did they really learn ? learn to be better ? or be better at being shity ?
Louis Browne
Před 9 dny
I mean how many people in the comments section of youtube ever apologise? it practically never happens as they have nothing to lose. We and they need to remember Nvidia are just a much of people, with all the same potential fualts as us. No doubt from their achievements many of them are running on god-mode, thinking they are better than others because they have shown to be highly valued. It happens all the time. It's a cut-throat business, and people are under great stress to do whatever it takes, it's typical at some point someone would try to swing there weight. I'm only surprised others are surprised, I mean Nvidia have shown their morality already, paying companies off to cripple there competitors benchmarks. It's the same box of backdoor tricks.
Jesse Winters
Před 10 dny
Blah blah you AMD suck ups
Melkavar
Před 11 dny
Is Cyberpunk 2077 the new Anthem?!
MrBrockHeinz
Před 11 dny
Luke: We should do a poll Linus: So you have chosen death
Neal Robinson
Před 12 dny
CDPR let me down with cyber punk. When a developer includes a perk that allows knife throwing you’d think there be some reusable knives. But even then you’d think there would at least be a cheap and easily craftable knife. Again nope the only crafted throwing knife requires 9 in crafting stat and it’s rare. At that point the only thing I can assume is CDPR didn’t really care.
Jason Robinson
Před 12 dny
The first letter was not written by Brian... as I read the letter you can tell a chines person wrote it.. nothing against chines person just you can tell.. how they think how they talk.. it was a chines person high up...
james bond
Před 12 dny
Big tec playing dumb people and the market its not rocket science just like you said in your last video about Nvidia and the last five years getting worse. This channel as well as others should stop partnering with people they say the same five year thing about. Its like saying im not racist but I do all my business with the USSR.
Axea
Před 13 dny
In 2077, what makes someone a criminal? Getting caught. *cyberpunk music start playing
twertygo
Před 13 dny
Have we not learned from No Man's Sky?
RCAF TW
Před 14 dny
Oh get over yourselves and move on
wisico640
Před 14 dny
Please reajust for wider screens :)
Shady Brady
Před 15 dny
Why do we care that Nvidia are apologizing to tech-tubers? Nobody can get cards. I can find an RTX3080 for $1600, but that's about it.
Jake Woods
Před 15 dny
It is a shame that not more competitors inhabite the industry
Bernd Kemmereit
Před 16 dny
I don't like or dislike a game developer, I like or dislike games....
Kurenai6942
Před 16 dny
I think the CCP wrote the press release.
Nasghat
Před 16 dny
This whole story made exactly one thing with me: until now, I solely decided what graphics card to buy next out of facts that mattered to me and my needs. But from now on, I will defenitely take the behaviour of Nvidia in consideration! That will not be supported with my hard earned money! Thank you for bringing this all up and your support @Linus and @LTTteam
GIGGI'
Před 16 dny
go see a real comparison in next gen effects, HU one is literally a joke and I'm not surprised considering they are really tyring to boycott nvidia: h_ttps://cscrone.info/desk/aJWqppypbnZmfoU/video.html&feature=emb_logo_
Troy Arthur
Před 16 dny
I think what everyone is really wondering is what did Luke get for Christmas in all those presents?
tokkyuuressha
Před 17 dny
29:53 To be fair, you're mixing up two entities. CD Project is a game publisher that owns GoG, and has a studio CD Project Red that is a whole another team. Cyberpunk issues and Devotion issues are caused by completely different people.
claud rapoza
Před 17 dny
play cyberpunk on stadia
Ubi Quitious
Před 17 dny
I feel sorry for the CCP on this matter, but I would still support any developer to have share their opinion. In China, the CCP effectively is the government. I would not mind have versions with and without the controversial material.
Ubi Quitious
Před 17 dny
I am still in awe that this is a thing. Did this Brian character at NVidia read the letter? Is it actually his signature (wet or digital)? Any chance it is some person at NVidia over zealous about their contribution or child product? I don’t know if powers that be at NVidia expect this Brian guy to fall on his own sword or have some other fall person in mind. In any case, this looks really bad for NVidia.
Stathi Nightingale
Před 18 dny
It may have simply been a test. More like a little kid testing boundaries. Nvidia being the kid, media being the parent.
Stathi Nightingale
Před 18 dny
Brian may not be @nvidia if it was actually him in the first place..... I think he was on vacation personally.
SaulsieBerries
Před 18 dny
Can we talk about how Luke compared Nvidia's media strong arm to a lord/serf relationship, and Linus decided to contrast it against straight up child abuse. Makes you wonder...
jiri vesely
Před 20 dny
Heard CDPROJECTRED is deleting, or doing something to negative user reviews LOL!
John DeWerd
Před 20 dny
Chinese Nationalists get butt-hurt en mass!
John DeWerd
Před 20 dny
Personally: I think the first one sounded contrite. I think he meant it, or at least he wrote to try and make us he was sincere.
Chris Jarram
Před 20 dny
RTXgate
Chris Jarram
Před 20 dny
I demand an RTX 3090 by means of apology for having my opinion as a gamer grossly misrepresented by Nvidia
Frosty.
Před 21 dnem
of the issues with cyberpunk.. the city feeling dead is definitely not one of them 0.o and "looks horrible on old hardware" ..wha? of course shitty hardware = shitty graphics lol so much stuff going on in the background, so many little stories and interactions between people
Mark Casey
Před 21 dnem
arm is a british company so they cant they own it
marbleshark
Před 21 dnem
I've worked with Nvidia before as part of a collaboration, they were SO up themselves it beggared belief! In the end we walked away...
Aaron
Před 21 dnem
The CCP has people who skim the internet and complain to companies through things like Twitter, Facebook etc. and directly email as customers that upset about products the go after them. Be careful Linus or you will be put in the gulag.
kathrynck
Před 22 dny
Even with the apology, do you think that the whole exchange won't have a profound effect on up & coming tech reviewers who are trying to break into the inner circle (those who get industry support)?
BluetonicUK28
Před 22 dny
I agreed with you on your previous WAN show re the awful email. The guy has apologised though. Let it go. People can actually make mistakes and further bashing on this subject could potentially cause a job loss for someone, for all we know, might have had a shitty day
rim685cen ;nir'suc
Před 22 dny
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acrscott
Před 23 dny
I perfected reading with MAD magazine’s
Cody Moore
Před 23 dny
I think it was complete bullshit when he said I hope you will share this with your fans. He just wanted to save face. Screw Nvidia!!
driftkids13
Před 24 dny
30:00 No 1A protects all speech here in the USA privet and public. ITS FREE SPEECH!!! Not freedom to a point. Its absolute.
KillTyrant
Před 24 dny
34:00 ish mark You also have to remember they have that social credit system in place. Decrying CDPR and the makers of devotion will give positive social credit. So it's a bit of a shitty situation on that.
KillTyrant
Před 24 dny
Something else of note. Paper money isn't legal tender there anymore. They have moved to a completely paperless monetary system their. I would imagine it's not that hard to completely lock you out of all your money if you dont tow the ccp line
Andrey Sotnikov
Před 24 dny
Please, don't protect BDR. According to his colleagues from NVIDIA he IS an asshole.
Andrew Bowles
Před 24 dny
Yes , I have a problem! but I'm starting to think it is listening to, too many , reviewers and influencers, and all you other youtubers!!!! I could have bought a system cheaper, which would have served my purpose, probably 6 months ago, (perhaps a little longer!, but not much)!!! But everybody said wait, this is going to be big, your going to get "diamond encrusted, GPU's and CPU's, that give 6000 fps, and light speed raytracing, and the CPU's are going to shoot flame out of your case when you power up your PC!!!!" Starting to wonder if all the big Corporations, are leading All the computer, based, CScroners, for want of a better word down the same track, too their own ends? To use a simile, the corporations, are the land owners, youtubers are the shepherd's , and we are are the sheep!!!! I suppose the wolves are the scalpers????? So, after watching Zen 2 CPU's drop ,then now about15-20%more expensive, GPU's now not available, as well CPU's, MOBO's etc !!!. What am I to think about all this wonderful advice? actually I think this was boiling away just pre- covid-19, so drop that as an excuse! What I wanted to build ,was a Zen 2 based system and be available for some upgrades.(based around an R5 3600). so they are not available or to expensive. So what an R5 2600?? For price? PAUL ,not directed at you, but, without checking, think you probably said the same? And I check all the people you consider reputable !!! So without doing a crash course on intel parts, and not really expecting it to be cheaper, AMD is still the way to go, except you can't buy it!!!!
Dylan Richards
Před 24 dny
That apology still seems half-assed, blaming those actions on lockdown fatigue, like absolutely nobody else is going through that. So, you can throw independent reviewers under the bus, so long as you're tired.
Lukaroast
Před 24 dny
more like F A M(Microsoft) G
Totalgamingwars
Před 24 dny
CHINA government = bad.
Sani Guro
Před 24 dny
I guess someone should be fired...
ArticParadox
Před 24 dny
please review the MSI 1660 super it says it has raytracing in gpu-z and offers it in games i know its not an rtx card but it works and i would love a review on why :/
Lucas E
Před 25 dny
Book idea: family made up of computer parts that together make a full family Everyone has things their good and bad at but working together and sharing is good Wait patiently for family to come together (dont pre-order). Might be cool?
tcpnetworks
Před 25 dny
A fuck-up to this extent would surely warrant a phone call as a backup piece of communications, right? They stepped on a massive landmine here - and they should be much more contrite.
Cutthroat Mc Rage
Před 25 dny
Linus new THUG LIFE Look rofl :) or is it instead of boys in the hood it's his version of Linus In The Hood rofl :)
Aaron Griffin
Před 25 dny
Pitch idea: Pandas! Make a series of tech panda children's books. 🐼 or Werewolves!
Aaron Griffin
Před 25 dny
Armed processors? So they have guns?
Bruman
Před 26 dny
The collectors edition of the console was the PS5 which Cyberpunk 2077 ran fine on, and not the PS4, that meme was basically a lie.
goldark3
Před 26 dny
LTT Group should make a Unbiased Game review channel would be awesome i watch every single of your channel your guy influence my choice a lot
Syed Ahmad Qusoiri
Před 26 dny
Games are more than just visual wizardry and even that was very glitchy. Really miss the innovative games of PS2..
chpoit
Před 26 dny
linus lowkey shilling for the CCP and not understanding free speech
John Patrikareas
Před 26 dny
.....u got your Apology! now u need to dictate it....? YAWN
SpitFire
Před 26 dny
I do find the results of the poll interesting tho. The opinion on CDPR has actually improved for 20%. Why? The reasons for an improvement of opinion are basically 0 so I suppose all of those people just trolled with their vote?
Ascension 669
Před 26 dny
Cyberpunk 2077 is fun. Getting that 40-80fps maxed out at 1080p. There are bugs. Like flying across the map from jumping on a wall and then dying. Or jumping off a 2 story building to slam into the ground and die. Or putting clothes on to run around naked. Or it freezing but still able to reload from quicksave. Other than that. Good game so far. 30+ hrs of playing. Playing PC with 1080 ti. 3900x. 32gb ram. I think the story is pretty good. Spent most of my time doing side quests and raiding crime scenes and gangs. Level 17 over 30 street cred. And just now on Act 2.
Matt Booth
Před 26 dny
48:40 I honestly though Linus was asking Luke that question, for a second.
Steve Dice
Před 26 dny
In defense of BDR, I used to work for a company that shall remained unnamed because I signed an NDA but I had authorization to send emails in the CEOs behalf so who knows, maybe that email didn't even come from him.
jeff steeves
Před 26 dny
lol chinaaaa
Real HIFI Help
Před 26 dny
I am still buying AMD.
Brian Evangelista
Před 26 dny
Sorey? lol
NatsuMichiru
Před 26 dny
Apology cuz busted of course
Jon S
Před 26 dny
@Luke - AttorneyS General is the plural of Attorney General (West Wing FTW) :D
Jack - sadclvbbangers
Před 26 dny
35:00 (roughly) If CDPR had just banned the game on GOG in China, HK and Taiwan, this wouldn't be a problem. the problem is gamers worldwide are being censored by the chinese govt because of their extreme nationalism.
Mr AMD
Před 27 dny
About NVIDOA, they are sorry they got cought. They had also a GPP thing going, and they reverced that 2 weeks after it was HUGE news. NVIDIA is and alway's will be a shady company.
H DOG
Před 27 dny
this is kinda making me think Linus is the ISSUE not Nvidia.
Gief Replays
Před 27 dny
The whole Nvidia deal wreaks of incompetent management making him writing a shady ass email then the same fucking manager making him take all the blowback even though he told them it was going to be a disaster. Sure, it could just be the one dude in the wrong head space trying to make his boss happy but it really beggars belief.
Thomas K
Před 27 dny
on the censorship topic, China employs thousands of social media posters to promote CCP values on forums around the world
Raymond Johnson
Před 27 dny
Do ABC's of VR =D
darron pattel
Před 27 dny
I actually don't like Hardware Unboxed due to the way they cover laptops, but this is disgusting........ SHAME NVIDIA!!!
Raymond Johnson
Před 27 dny
3DFX Should reinvent under RISC5
That0neGuyGames
Před 27 dny
Remember when Physx was huge and so many games tried so hard to add to their games. It was amazing. Now no one cares about basic physx that almost all games are stale asf other than Battlefield. COD NEVER progressed or kept with it(pathetic). Ray Tracing will die 100%.
Ryan Roberts
Před 27 dny
SOMEBODY GET MATPAT
Evil Chameleon
Před 27 dny
Luke went much quieter after that poll bit. . Linus, stop acting like a fuck head for no reason.
coco
Před 27 dny
Really, you think you got Them? you really didn't get it did you? Dumb reviewers. NVIDIA got free publicity thanks to you. When you talked about NVIDIA you talked about how good their products were, and all of the features, and the only thing you were outraged about was about their policies. Since they sort of apologized on that, then it's business as usual, people can go back and buy their fabulous products and blah blah... And thanks for all the free publicity and the buzz you freely generated. All that they did was on purpose, and you fell for it. But you "got" them, congratulations.
hoser hose
Před 27 dny
Sorry because they got CAUGHT. And ask him if he sent it without someone else looking at it otherwise this is just conjecture.
Rick Lansdon
Před 27 dny
I think the moral of the story is like a typical millennial Linus likes to be outraged for attention
Shawn McCown
Před 27 dny
I could understand all the frustration with Nvidia if the channels were buying their own cards and Nvidia was trying to silence the reviewer's views, effectively silencing free speech. But, to expect to receive free hardware and then give negative reviews on it but still expect free hardware is being entitled. Would you continue to support a business/channel that badmouthed you as a company and vision or use that resources on someone giving you positive business flow? In the end they are a business. I personally agree that raytracing is the future and needs to be pushed. We're hitting a technological wall with raster graphics. It's why cg effects and animated films have gone completely over to raytracing. I really believe that Nvidia felt his channel failed to understand that and many aspects of where the graphics industry is going. I don't believe it's the negative review he gave but the lack of understanding of industry trends and technological development. They were not going to get his channel silenced or shut down. They were simply not going to provide free merchandise to someone they felt didn't have a good understanding on the subject. The apology was definitely Nvidia making a business decision and not sincere. I'm sure that behind closed doors they are fuming at the entitled mentality and backlash. How many channels would exist without free hardware when they were starting out? Fair reviews from channels that understanding what they are reviewing are what Nvidia want to invest in. They simply didn't see his channel as worth investing in.
El Turf - ManStickCar
Před 27 dny
The Development team at CDRed were not the issue, it was the new board that pushed this through unfinished. PC version is ALSO AFFECTED BADLY and what is more important is that STEAM are refusing to budge on refunds. Hard copy refunds only, STEAM playing hardball and saying nope.
HannibalS
Před 27 dny
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proinseas O'Kiellig
Před 27 dny
I'm really enjoying Cyberpunk.
Matthew Wicht
Před 27 dny
You must do a techquickie video on ORM (online reputation management)
Ytinasniiable
Před 27 dny
Idk about the rest of the gaming community, but I do know that PSaccess won't stop gushing about Ray tracing on the ps5, so I think there is some truth to what Nvidia said about it being the future, but I don't watch hardware reviews to see how it could theoretically perform on games releasing in 2021 and beyond, i care how it performs right now, and right now most games don't use it.
Voll Horst
Před 27 dny
Hey Linus, some time you have try to acknowledge that you are not the center of the world. Only because you can not beliefe people are getting very angry about besmirching their political leader, it doesn’t happen. I bet you that there are more people upset in China for besmirching winny poo that there are people living in Canada. By the way some people can’t believe you are upset about companies not upholding reviewers god given right to free review examples because these companies believe they will not get favorable reviews of their products. Just for the record, Nvidia and the Chinese government can fuck themselves and Fall of a cliff.
Deven B
Před 27 dny
Cyberpunk wasnt that bad, people just too high of expectations and no patience to let them fix the bugs and performance issues that come along with every AAA game developed. I mean look and bethesda and ubisoft, why can they make a AAA buggy mess and it's okay to ruin a great game, but CDProjekRed does and it's the end of the world
Screwball
Před 27 dny
I do feel sorry for "CD Projekt RED" the Devs, but not "CD Projekt" the publishers.
countermoon
Před 27 dny
"Chasing a nothing burger"? WTF?